ah, don't misunderstand. i agree with you on that; violence has its uses, as does torture. but the law is supposed to be an unflinching and rigid institution so that it can function as intended.
if everything can be argued, then innocence and guilt no longer mean anything. justice becomes subjective to whoever has power.
personally, i'd rather get rid of my enemies right away.
Almost killing someone and torturing them are NOT the same thing. That just goes to show you how little you understand about the subtle art of torture.
[Yugamu sends over several .pdf files that are basically BDSM primers because that's basically what he's actually talking about he just words things like a maniac.]
First of all, there are thousands of academic papers on the topic of sex and desire on the internet here, so try opening your mind to what can be examined in an academic lens.
Second of all, JUST sex??? One of the most important and complex things in human society???
Third of all, it's completely possible to use pain for non-sexual constructive purposes.
first: i know that. i've read them. these are guidelines for engaging in BDSM. they absolutely don't count. you could've sent me a file on its history or a psychology study about the driving urges for voluntarily participating in torture.
[There's silence for a solid forty minutes before Yugamu does in fact send over a .pdf that is exactly that.]
That was a fascinating read thank you.
Anyway have you heard of acupuncture? A sufficiently powerful stimuli can rewire the brain to respond differently to a wide variety of things. Personally I find pain applied in various contexts to help clear my mind or otherwise envigorate me.
that was actually fun to read. um, thanks. i appreciate it.
acupuncture is less about pain, though. as you said, it's about stimulating the nervous system. it can be as harmful as it is helpful. the release of endorphins after working out or participating in a fight has similar effects. is it really the pain or the chemical release within the body that you like?
[Megumi rocketing up Yugamu's rankings list for genuinely engaging in discussion about this despite clearly not really agreeeing with Yugamu's stances on the whole thing.]
That's an interesting question!
[One he actually pauses to think about.]
I mean, I think those aren't that separate from each other, your conscious mind enjoys the pain because of the fact it's linked with your unconscious mind that's reacting on a base level to the endorphins.
But also, I think on a psychological level, engaging with something that you know your base instincts are wired to avoid, I think there's something especially energizing about that, the way your mind can override what your body is saying. On top of that, if you're engaging in it with someone else, there's also that feeling of trust. It's one thing to agree to have sex with someone, it's another level of trust to let them cut you open, you know?
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if everything can be argued, then innocence and guilt no longer mean anything. justice becomes subjective to whoever has power.
personally, i'd rather get rid of my enemies right away.
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I mean that there's ways to inflict pain that are actually very enjoyable, you know?
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also that sounds a bit fake but okay. if it works for you?
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But anyway, if you doubt me, I could always offer a hands on demonstration~
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[ wait. is he serious. ]
you're serious? you're serious. you want to demonstrate killing people with me.
okay. when? i'm free right now.
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No, I meant the torture.
[Like that's better.]
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what kind of torture, then?
[ it's not better, it's ✨worse✨! ]
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you could assign some required reading, if you have it. i miss homework.
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[Yugamu sends over several .pdf files that are basically BDSM primers because that's basically what he's actually talking about he just words things like a maniac.]
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you lied to me. this is all about sex.
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That's the part that makes it fun torture and not like... for work torture!
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Second of all, JUST sex??? One of the most important and complex things in human society???
Third of all, it's completely possible to use pain for non-sexual constructive purposes.
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second: i don't care.
third: explain it.
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[There's silence for a solid forty minutes before Yugamu does in fact send over a .pdf that is exactly that.]
That was a fascinating read thank you.
Anyway have you heard of acupuncture? A sufficiently powerful stimuli can rewire the brain to respond differently to a wide variety of things. Personally I find pain applied in various contexts to help clear my mind or otherwise envigorate me.
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that was actually fun to read. um, thanks. i appreciate it.
acupuncture is less about pain, though. as you said, it's about stimulating the nervous system. it can be as harmful as it is helpful. the release of endorphins after working out or participating in a fight has similar effects. is it really the pain or the chemical release within the body that you like?
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That's an interesting question!
[One he actually pauses to think about.]
I mean, I think those aren't that separate from each other, your conscious mind enjoys the pain because of the fact it's linked with your unconscious mind that's reacting on a base level to the endorphins.
But also, I think on a psychological level, engaging with something that you know your base instincts are wired to avoid, I think there's something especially energizing about that, the way your mind can override what your body is saying. On top of that, if you're engaging in it with someone else, there's also that feeling of trust. It's one thing to agree to have sex with someone, it's another level of trust to let them cut you open, you know?